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Sunday, October 15, 2006

Concept not in Scripture

The New Encyclopædia Britannica:
"Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."-(1976),
Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The Catholic Encyclopedia:
"In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia:
"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."-(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

The Encyclopedia Americana:
"Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."-(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel:
"The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher's [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions."-(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible:
"The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of 'person' and 'nature' which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as 'essence' and 'substance' were erroneously applied to God by some theologians."-(New York, 1965), p. 899.

The Oxford Companion to the Bible (Metzger and Coogan), pages 782-3:
"Because the Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it is striking that the term does not appear in the New Testament. Likewise, the developed concept of three coequal partnersin the Godhead found in later creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the [Bible] canon. ... It is important to avoid reading the Trinity into places where it does not appear."

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (Colin Brown, editor), Volume 2, page 84:
"The Trinity. The NT does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence and therefore in an equal sense God himself.. And the other express declarations is also lacking, that God is God thus and only thus, i.e., as The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These two express declarations, which go beyond the witness of the Bible, are the twofold content of lthe Church doctrine of the Trinity.' (Karl Barth, CD, I, 1, 437). It also lacks such terms as trinity (Lat. trinitas which was coined by Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 3; 11; 12 etc.) and homoousias which feature in the Creed of Nicea (325) to denote Christ was the same substance as the Father."

The Illustrated Bible Dictionary:
"The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century."

The Encyclopedia of Religion:
"Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."

The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman:
"The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the "Old Testament"] suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."

The Encyclopedia of Religion:
"Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity."

Jesuit Fortman:
"The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead."

The New Encyclopædia Britannica:
"Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament."

Bernhard Lohse, A Short History of Christian Doctrine:
"As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity."

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology:
"The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence' [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth]."

Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins:
"To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."-Origin and Evolution of Religion.

Historian Arthur Weigall:
"Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."-The Paganism in Our Christianity.

"Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds."-The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.

"The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One."-The Paganism in Our Christianity.

Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics:
"At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian . . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the N[ew] T[estament] and other early Christian writings."-Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics.

New Catholic Encyclopediaa:
"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."
The Formation of Christian Dogma (An Hisjtorical Study of its Problems), by Martin Werner, professor ordinarious in the University of Bern:
"The significance of the Angel-Christology for the Post-Apostolic period, from the point of view of doctrinal history, lies in the fact that it stood in the way of lthe developement of a homoousian doctrine of the Trinity in the later rthodox Nicene sense, owing to its fundamentally Subordinationist character. Angel-Christiology and the Trinitarian dogma of Nicaea were in this respect absolutely incompatiable. (137) Arianism [editor: unitarianism] was doomed. It had indeed, with its reference to Scriptures and the old tradition of the Church, good arguments as its disposal. ... Modalism had criticised the accepted Trinitarian doctrin of the Churchas a doctrine of three gods. (160)
"Every significant theologian of the Church in the pre-Nicene period, had actually represented aSubordinationist Christology. (234)
"Consequently one now began to talk of a divine 'Trinity'. In the Nicene confession-formula of A.D. 325 this concept had been, significantly, lacking. 'Tinitas' = Trias did not signify a kind of 'unity of three', but simply 'threeness.' (252)
"By means of the union of the Logos with a complete human being, the three Persons of the Trinity were increased by a fourth, a human Person. From being a Trias it became a Tetras. ... It was seen from Phil. ii, 6 ff. that the Apostle Pul in no way taught in terms of a scheme which differentiated the Two Natures." (266)
"The course of the age-long dctrinal conflicts of the Early Church shows, for example, that the Trinitarian and Christological problems were by no means effectively settled by the doctrinal decrees of Nicea (325) and Chalcedon (451)."

7 Comments:

Blogger David J. Butterfield said...

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 ¶ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The Word = Jesus Christ

Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


So far you're saying "that can all be argued against"...

but the Word speaks for Himself:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Not in Scripture? It is Scripture...

8:16 PM  
Blogger HLB said...

Hello bloggers

I would like to share my conviction about what the Bible teaches about the Godhead. Apologies -- this is more than a comment -- its a study in itself -- please be patient and I think the rewards will be great.

ONE GOD
When our mighty God had delivered the Israelites from bondage,
led them through the Red Sea, and brought them to the foot of
Mt. Sinai, He told the people to sanctify themselves for He had
something very important to tell them. It was then that Moses climbed to the top of Mt. Sinai to receive instruction for the people of God. In Ex. 20:1-3 we read, "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD
thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the
house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Israel
had just been delivered from a land where multiple gods were
worshipped, so God immediately let them know there is only one true God.
During Israel's wanderings in the wilderness it seemed that God
kept trying over and over again to impress this vital point on their minds.
When the Israelites were about to enter the Promised Land, God on
several occasions again reminded them of this truth. "Unto thee it was
shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him." Deut. 4:35 Then again, just before Moses relates
God's command to conquer Canaan He says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Deut.6:4 It seems that this idea of multiple gods was of deep concern to the Lord, so much so that He kept reminding the people over and over again so that they would not fall into the error of worshipping multiple gods. To the Jewish mind, even today, there is One God. The concept of one God made up of three individual persons was foreign to them.
Looking at some other texts we find:
Mark 12:28-32 "…Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus
answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord…And the scribe said unto him, Well,
Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is
none other but he:"
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of
15 whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by
whom are all things, and we by him."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and
through all, and in you all."
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus."
In these verses Paul is stating his belief that there is one God, the
Father. He says that it is through the Father that all things exist. He
also states that we have one Lord Jesus, our Mediator between the
Father and guilty man.
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only
true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Jesus, Himself says there is only one God, the Father. Eternal life is to know the true God, the Father and Jesus, whom the Father sent John17:3.
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
The Scripture plainly teaches that there is one God, the Father. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that this one God is made up of three different
individuals. The Trinitarian says there is "one God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit." The Scripture says there is "one God, the Father."


THE SON OF GOD
If there is one God, the Father, "of whom are all things," as the
Scripture teaches, then who is Jesus? What is His relationship to the
Father? Is He Divinity or is He some lesser being as some teach? I
believe that as we look at the evidence we will see that Jesus is the
begotten Son of God. He is Divinity. Jesus has inherited all things
from the Father: His names, His power, all authority and is truly
worthy of our worship and praise!
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life."
1 John 4:9 "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because
that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live
through him."
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and
we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full
of grace and truth."
Please note: God sent the only Son He had. It does not say that Jesus
became the begotten Son when born on earth. He was the begotten Son
who was sent.
Begotten: "monogenes" means "only born" - some lexicons say this word could mean "unique", thus the Trinitarian would state that it
must apply to His birth in Bethlehem. However, we have to remember that the word begotten is used to describe the Son's existence in Heaven before He ever came to this earth. His existence surely is unique since He is the only Son of God.
John 8:42 " Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would
love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of
18 myself, but he sent me."
Note: Jesus proceeded forth and came from God- two actions.
Who did the disciples declare Jesus to be?
Matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped
him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."
John 6:69 "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the
Son of the living God."
John 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the
Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world."
Who did the evil angels say Jesus was?
Matthew 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God?..."
Who did Jesus declare Himself to be?
John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent
into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of
God?"
There are a multitude of other texts that tell us clearly that Jesus was
God's Son. None of them say He was a Son only because of His birth
in Bethlehem.
Luke 22:70 John 11:4 John 3:18 John 5:25
Acts 8:37 Romans 1:4 Gal. 2:20 Eph. 4:10-13
1 John 3:8 1 John 4:15 John 1:34 Mark 3:11
1John 5:10, 13, 20
The Scripture is clear that Jesus is God's Son, not a member of the
Godhead playing the role of the Son as the Trinity teaches. To say
that Jesus was only 'called' the Son because of His anticipated birth in
19 Bethlehem, as Trinitarians do, is pure conjecture, nowhere
substantiated by Scripture.
It is because Jesus is the Son of God that He has been given all things
of the Father.
Hebrews 1:1-3 "God …Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his
Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Note: Christ received all things by inheritance.
Christ was the express image of the Father - He was exactly like
Him, a duplicate. That is why Jesus could say, "He who has seen Me
has seen the Father." John 14:9
John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself;"
The Scripture teaches us that Jesus received by inheritance all things from the Father.

God granted all power and authority to His Son. He was the express
image of the Father, exactly like Him. Jesus was the only Son God
had and thus was the heir of all that God possessed: His power and
authority, His name, His Divinity. Everything that was the Father's
was to belong to the Son. Jesus was truly Divinity.

Please note, Solomon knew of a Son before Jesus ever came to this
earth:
Proverbs 30:4 "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?...
what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?"
Proverbs 8:22-25 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his
20 way … I was set up from everlasting… When there were no depths, I
was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water
… before the hills was I brought forth."
Many feel that these verses are not referring to Christ as a person, but to wisdom (used in an allegorical sense). However Ellen White states that they do indeed refer to Jesus.
"And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord
possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up (anointed) from everlasting…When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was
daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30."
(Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34)
The Scriptures also declare to us that God is not only the father
of Jesus, but His God as well.
1 Peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ..."
2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ…"
John 20:17 "... Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Mark 15:34 "... My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the
temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon
him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..."
These verses are simply stating to us the same idea as was expressed
earlier - that all things proceed from the Father. The Father is the
one true God of Heaven and Jesus, the Son, the exact image of the
21 Father, acknowledges that fact.
The Scripture teaches us that while the Son shares an equality of
nature, glory and honour with the Father, these attributes of Divinity
were inherited from the Father. It is for this reason that the Scripture
shows us that the Son is always in subjection to the Father.
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
This verse was puzzling to me for some time because we know that
the Father and Son are equal in power and authority. The Greek word for 'greater' is "meizon" which
means elder or more.
1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of
every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the
head of Christ is God."
Hebrews 1:8, 9 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for
ever and ever… therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee …"
The Father calls the Son, God. We have already stated that Jesus is
truly Divinity because He comes from the very being of God. Therefore
He possesses by inheritance all the names and attributes of the Father. Notice also that God calls Himself the God of the Son.
However, because Jesus is truly Divinity, He is to be worshipped as is
the Father. "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:6
John 5: 22, 23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all
judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as
they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not
the Father which hath sent him."
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 "But every man in his own order: Christ the
firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh
22 the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the
Father; …For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet...
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
Though the Son by virtue of His birth and by declaration of the Father is
worthy of all praise and honour, He Himself will "subject unto him that put all things under him "

THE HOLY SPIRIT
If there is only one God, one eternal supreme being of the universe;
and if Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the express image of the Father,
one equal in power and authority with Him, then who is the Holy
Spirit?
As we study the Scriptures we will find something very interesting.
The Bible never uses the term "God the Spirit" which is how we
identify the Holy Spirit in our teachings today. Terms such as "God's
Spirit", "the Spirit of God", the "Spirit of Christ", the "Holy Spirit"
are used. This becomes a very important observation as we shall see.
We might also note that the Bible never tells us to 'pray to' or to
'worship' the Spirit. As we shall see there is a very good reason for
this.The Holy Spirit is the personal presence of God with us, His personality. The Spirit to be termed a 'person' in the sense that it is the personality of the Father and the Son with us but the Holy Spirit is not a separate and different individual from
the Father or the Son. We have already established the fact that there are only two Divine beings worthy of our worship and our praise! We can understand then that He isn't sending some other person to us, but
He is sending Himself.

Ephesians 4:4 "There is one body, and one Spirit... "
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit
of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and
shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
32
What is Jesus saying here? He is telling the disciples plainly that He
isn't going to leave them alone. He is coming back to them; He is the
other Comforter to come. Through His Spirit He would be with
them. This was not another individual God coming to them, it was the Saviour Himself.
You see, there is only one Spirit as the Scripture in Ephesians told us. That Spirit is the very life of God, the Father. Because Jesus is the very essence of the Father, they share the same Spirit. Christ then
gives us of that Spirit.
It is interesting to note that the Greek word for "Comforter" and for
"Advocate" is the same word. In John 14:16 it says, "I will pray the
Father, and he shall give you another Comforter…"
Comforter = Parakletos Note: talking of the other Comforter.
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous:"
Advocate = Parakletos Note: Jesus is our Advocate.
The point here is simply that Christ is the other Comforter.
Some have said that Jesus is the "Comforter" and that the Holy Spirit
is the "other Comforter", a different and distinct person. But that would mean 2 comforters, not one. The Scripture does not teach that Jesus sends another Spirit to us. He is the only Comforter.
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
Hebrews 1:9 "…therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with
the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
(Oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit- the Son possesses the same Spirit as the Father.)

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself;"
The Father and the Son share the same Spirit.
Galatians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
Romans 8:9-11 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit
of Christ, he is none of his."
Please note that the Spirit of the Father and the Son are used
interchangeably. That is because there is only one Spirit which they
share. Within that truth is a most beautiful knowledge that
Christ Himself will come to us to comfort us.
There is one Spirit - Eph. 4:4
The Comforter is the Spirit - John 14:26
The Spirit is the Lord - 2 Cor. 3:17, 18
The Lord is Jesus -1 Cor. 8:6
John 17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
How are Jesus and the Father "in" each other? It is because they share
the same Spirit.
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
How are they one? Are they the same person? No, they are one
because they share the same Spirit.
Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man
hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with
him, and he with me."
Matthew 28:20 "... and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of
the world. Amen."

Hebrews 2:18 "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
Colossians 1:27 "... Christ in you, the hope of glory."
Note: Christ formed within is the main message of the gospel.
Christ tells us repeatedly that He himself will come to abide with us.
He is the one who comes to our aid in times of need and He is the one
that makes His home with us. The Scripture does not say that a different
person from Christ, the Holy Spirit, is to be formed within or to dwell
within to bring us comfort and power to resist temptation. Christ
Himself will accomplish this for us. It is through His Spirit, the
Spirit He shares with the Father that this work is to be accomplished. There is no other go-between!!!

May your spirit be moved as was mine as you read this evidence. It has endeared me to God because it shows me that God REALLY DID SEND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON INTO THIS WORLD. It was not mere role play. trinitarian functionalism. God does not deceive through pretension. He says what He means and means what He says. Bless His name for His unspeakable gift of love. And praise the Son for giving all and risking Heavne itself that we might have everlasting life!

3:01 PM  
Blogger HLB said...

Hello bloggers

I would like to share my conviction about what the Bible teaches about the Godhead. Apologies -- this is more than a comment -- its a study in itself -- please be patient and I think the rewards will be great.

ONE GOD
When our mighty God had delivered the Israelites from bondage,
led them through the Red Sea, and brought them to the foot of
Mt. Sinai, He told the people to sanctify themselves for He had
something very important to tell them. It was then that Moses climbed to the top of Mt. Sinai to receive instruction for the people of God. In Ex. 20:1-3 we read, "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD
thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the
house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Israel
had just been delivered from a land where multiple gods were
worshipped, so God immediately let them know there is only one true God.
During Israel's wanderings in the wilderness it seemed that God
kept trying over and over again to impress this vital point on their minds.
When the Israelites were about to enter the Promised Land, God on
several occasions again reminded them of this truth. "Unto thee it was
shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him." Deut. 4:35 Then again, just before Moses relates
God's command to conquer Canaan He says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Deut.6:4 It seems that this idea of multiple gods was of deep concern to the Lord, so much so that He kept reminding the people over and over again so that they would not fall into the error of worshipping multiple gods. To the Jewish mind, even today, there is One God. The concept of one God made up of three individual persons was foreign to them.
Looking at some other texts we find:
Mark 12:28-32 "…Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus
answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord…And the scribe said unto him, Well,
Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is
none other but he:"
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of
15 whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by
whom are all things, and we by him."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and
through all, and in you all."
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus."
In these verses Paul is stating his belief that there is one God, the
Father. He says that it is through the Father that all things exist. He
also states that we have one Lord Jesus, our Mediator between the
Father and guilty man.
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only
true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Jesus, Himself says there is only one God, the Father. Eternal life is to know the true God, the Father and Jesus, whom the Father sent John17:3.
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
The Scripture plainly teaches that there is one God, the Father. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that this one God is made up of three different
individuals. The Trinitarian says there is "one God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit." The Scripture says there is "one God, the Father."


THE SON OF GOD
If there is one God, the Father, "of whom are all things," as the
Scripture teaches, then who is Jesus? What is His relationship to the
Father? Is He Divinity or is He some lesser being as some teach? I
believe that as we look at the evidence we will see that Jesus is the
begotten Son of God. He is Divinity. Jesus has inherited all things
from the Father: His names, His power, all authority and is truly
worthy of our worship and praise!
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life."
1 John 4:9 "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because
that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live
through him."
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and
we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full
of grace and truth."
Please note: God sent the only Son He had. It does not say that Jesus
became the begotten Son when born on earth. He was the begotten Son
who was sent.
Begotten: "monogenes" means "only born" - some lexicons say this word could mean "unique", thus the Trinitarian would state that it
must apply to His birth in Bethlehem. However, we have to remember that the word begotten is used to describe the Son's existence in Heaven before He ever came to this earth. His existence surely is unique since He is the only Son of God.
John 8:42 " Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would
love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of
18 myself, but he sent me."
Note: Jesus proceeded forth and came from God- two actions.
Who did the disciples declare Jesus to be?
Matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped
him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."
John 6:69 "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the
Son of the living God."
John 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the
Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world."
Who did the evil angels say Jesus was?
Matthew 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God?..."
Who did Jesus declare Himself to be?
John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent
into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of
God?"
There are a multitude of other texts that tell us clearly that Jesus was
God's Son. None of them say He was a Son only because of His birth
in Bethlehem.
Luke 22:70 John 11:4 John 3:18 John 5:25
Acts 8:37 Romans 1:4 Gal. 2:20 Eph. 4:10-13
1 John 3:8 1 John 4:15 John 1:34 Mark 3:11
1John 5:10, 13, 20
The Scripture is clear that Jesus is God's Son, not a member of the
Godhead playing the role of the Son as the Trinity teaches. To say
that Jesus was only 'called' the Son because of His anticipated birth in
19 Bethlehem, as Trinitarians do, is pure conjecture, nowhere
substantiated by Scripture.
It is because Jesus is the Son of God that He has been given all things
of the Father.
Hebrews 1:1-3 "God …Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his
Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Note: Christ received all things by inheritance.
Christ was the express image of the Father - He was exactly like
Him, a duplicate. That is why Jesus could say, "He who has seen Me
has seen the Father." John 14:9
John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself;"
The Scripture teaches us that Jesus received by inheritance all things from the Father.

God granted all power and authority to His Son. He was the express
image of the Father, exactly like Him. Jesus was the only Son God
had and thus was the heir of all that God possessed: His power and
authority, His name, His Divinity. Everything that was the Father's
was to belong to the Son. Jesus was truly Divinity.

Please note, Solomon knew of a Son before Jesus ever came to this
earth:
Proverbs 30:4 "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?...
what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?"
Proverbs 8:22-25 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his
20 way … I was set up from everlasting… When there were no depths, I
was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water
… before the hills was I brought forth."
Many feel that these verses are not referring to Christ as a person, but to wisdom (used in an allegorical sense). However Ellen White states that they do indeed refer to Jesus.
"And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord
possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up (anointed) from everlasting…When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was
daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30."
(Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34)
The Scriptures also declare to us that God is not only the father
of Jesus, but His God as well.
1 Peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ..."
2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ…"
John 20:17 "... Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Mark 15:34 "... My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the
temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon
him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..."
These verses are simply stating to us the same idea as was expressed
earlier - that all things proceed from the Father. The Father is the
one true God of Heaven and Jesus, the Son, the exact image of the
21 Father, acknowledges that fact.
The Scripture teaches us that while the Son shares an equality of
nature, glory and honour with the Father, these attributes of Divinity
were inherited from the Father. It is for this reason that the Scripture
shows us that the Son is always in subjection to the Father.
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
This verse was puzzling to me for some time because we know that
the Father and Son are equal in power and authority. The Greek word for 'greater' is "meizon" which
means elder or more.
1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of
every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the
head of Christ is God."
Hebrews 1:8, 9 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for
ever and ever… therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee …"
The Father calls the Son, God. We have already stated that Jesus is
truly Divinity because He comes from the very being of God. Therefore
He possesses by inheritance all the names and attributes of the Father. Notice also that God calls Himself the God of the Son.
However, because Jesus is truly Divinity, He is to be worshipped as is
the Father. "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:6
John 5: 22, 23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all
judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as
they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not
the Father which hath sent him."
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 "But every man in his own order: Christ the
firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh
22 the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the
Father; …For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet...
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
Though the Son by virtue of His birth and by declaration of the Father is
worthy of all praise and honour, He Himself will "subject unto him that put all things under him "

THE HOLY SPIRIT
If there is only one God, one eternal supreme being of the universe;
and if Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the express image of the Father,
one equal in power and authority with Him, then who is the Holy
Spirit?
As we study the Scriptures we will find something very interesting.
The Bible never uses the term "God the Spirit" which is how we
identify the Holy Spirit in our teachings today. Terms such as "God's
Spirit", "the Spirit of God", the "Spirit of Christ", the "Holy Spirit"
are used. This becomes a very important observation as we shall see.
We might also note that the Bible never tells us to 'pray to' or to
'worship' the Spirit. As we shall see there is a very good reason for
this.The Holy Spirit is the personal presence of God with us, His personality. The Spirit to be termed a 'person' in the sense that it is the personality of the Father and the Son with us but the Holy Spirit is not a separate and different individual from
the Father or the Son. We have already established the fact that there are only two Divine beings worthy of our worship and our praise! We can understand then that He isn't sending some other person to us, but
He is sending Himself.

Ephesians 4:4 "There is one body, and one Spirit... "
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit
of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and
shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
32
What is Jesus saying here? He is telling the disciples plainly that He
isn't going to leave them alone. He is coming back to them; He is the
other Comforter to come. Through His Spirit He would be with
them. This was not another individual God coming to them, it was the Saviour Himself.
You see, there is only one Spirit as the Scripture in Ephesians told us. That Spirit is the very life of God, the Father. Because Jesus is the very essence of the Father, they share the same Spirit. Christ then
gives us of that Spirit.
It is interesting to note that the Greek word for "Comforter" and for
"Advocate" is the same word. In John 14:16 it says, "I will pray the
Father, and he shall give you another Comforter…"
Comforter = Parakletos Note: talking of the other Comforter.
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous:"
Advocate = Parakletos Note: Jesus is our Advocate.
The point here is simply that Christ is the other Comforter.
Some have said that Jesus is the "Comforter" and that the Holy Spirit
is the "other Comforter", a different and distinct person. But that would mean 2 comforters, not one. The Scripture does not teach that Jesus sends another Spirit to us. He is the only Comforter.
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
Hebrews 1:9 "…therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with
the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
(Oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit- the Son possesses the same Spirit as the Father.)

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself;"
The Father and the Son share the same Spirit.
Galatians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
Romans 8:9-11 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit
of Christ, he is none of his."
Please note that the Spirit of the Father and the Son are used
interchangeably. That is because there is only one Spirit which they
share. Within that truth is a most beautiful knowledge that
Christ Himself will come to us to comfort us.
There is one Spirit - Eph. 4:4
The Comforter is the Spirit - John 14:26
The Spirit is the Lord - 2 Cor. 3:17, 18
The Lord is Jesus -1 Cor. 8:6
John 17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
How are Jesus and the Father "in" each other? It is because they share
the same Spirit.
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
How are they one? Are they the same person? No, they are one
because they share the same Spirit.
Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man
hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with
him, and he with me."
Matthew 28:20 "... and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of
the world. Amen."

Hebrews 2:18 "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
Colossians 1:27 "... Christ in you, the hope of glory."
Note: Christ formed within is the main message of the gospel.
Christ tells us repeatedly that He himself will come to abide with us.
He is the one who comes to our aid in times of need and He is the one
that makes His home with us. The Scripture does not say that a different
person from Christ, the Holy Spirit, is to be formed within or to dwell
within to bring us comfort and power to resist temptation. Christ
Himself will accomplish this for us. It is through His Spirit, the
Spirit He shares with the Father that this work is to be accomplished. There is no other go-between!!!

May your spirit be moved as was mine as you read this evidence. It has endeared me to God because it shows me that God REALLY DID SEND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON INTO THIS WORLD. It was not mere role play. trinitarian functionalism. God does not deceive through pretension. He says what He means and means what He says. Bless His name for His unspeakable gift of love. And praise the Son for giving all and risking Heavne itself that we might have everlasting life!

3:04 PM  
Blogger Sarfaraz said...

QUOTE FROM PREVIOUS BLOGGER:
"God REALLY DID SEND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON INTO THIS WORLD"

I hate to shatter your illusions but how about these verses:

Psalms 2:7 we find "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."
(David, in this verse, is saying that God had told him he was the son of God and God has begotten him. )

God Himself says He cannot be a lowly human being:
“For I am the Lord I change not” (Mal 3:6)
“God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent” (Num 23:19)
"Also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind." (1 Samuel 15:29)
I will not execute My fierce anger; I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, And I will not come in wrath. (Hosea 11:9)
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Job 15:14
How then can man be justified (compared) with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shines’ not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? (Job 25:4-6)

Jesus denies he is God in the NT:
Mark 6:10 “Why do you call me good?” answered Jesus, “No-one is good but God alone!”
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
QURAN 4:171
“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers.
DON’T SAY “TRINITY”: desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” QURAN 4:171

1:57 PM  
Blogger AmYah said...

1 John 5:7, the Iconium or three-witnesses passage, is a spurious addition to scripture that appears in none of the ancient Greek manuscripts. Its origin has been traced to a sermon in Spain, and notes in the margin of a manuscript done in preparation for that sermon.It was the work Viginus Hapsis in the 6th century. This is well known fact among scholars. The Papacy also acknowledged it as spurious, but argued it should be retained for the benefit of the flock! But scriptures are not to be added to or taken away from.

12:36 AM  
Blogger AmYah said...

1 John 5:7, the Iconium or three-witnesses passage, is a spurious addition to scripture that appears in none of the ancient Greek manuscripts. Its origin has been traced to a sermon in Spain, and notes in the margin of a manuscript done in preparation for that sermon.It was the work Viginus Hapsis in the 6th century. This is well known fact among scholars. The Papacy also acknowledged it as spurious, but argued it should be retained for the benefit of the flock! But scriptures are not to be added to or taken away from.

12:51 AM  
Blogger Michele Rass said...

As a christian for almost 38 years, i can say i never thought as Jesus as god. I'm not sure how this escaped me during Sunday school, or church, but somehow by the grace of god it did. I first heard about the concept a few months ago when i was watching a tv program. Some man came on ranting about Jesus being god...I thought to my self, what in the heck is he thinking. To me the concept makes no sense... God saved me from being stuck in a lie which i may not have been able to let go of. I no longer invoke Jesus during prayer...one god to pray to one god to forgive my sins.

12:37 AM  

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